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1.   The Original Sin of Adam closed Heaven for all men (sanctifying grace was lost) ... Hell became the only possible destination for the immortal souls of men.
2.   God re-opened Heaven by founding the Catholic Church and re-introducing sanctifying grace to men's souls ... the same grace which Adam and Eve had lost.

                          We are currently in the Great Apostasy (world-wide rejection of God's Catholic Dogma), these warnings apply:
3.   Warning 1:  A non-Catholic anti-Christ cult (the vatican-2 heretic cult) took over all Catholic properties on 8 Dec 1965 ("v-2 council" close date).     [Section 12, 13]
4.   Warning 2:  No one Ordained those that you think are Priests ... all Bishops of the "v-2 council" were automatically excommunicated on 8 Dec 1965.  [Section 13.2]
5.   Warning 3:  Your fake "priests" turned you into heretics ... the stage shows are not Mass ... participation in the vatican-2 heresy excommunicates. [Section 13.2.2]
6.   Warning 4:  All those dressed up like Catholic bishops and priests are ... automatically excommunicated heretics against the Catholic Dogmas.          [Section 13.6]
                          Vatican-2-ists: You are excommunicated from the Catholic Church … Abjuration of heresy > Section 19.1

7.    One can still be Catholic and get to Heaven with a proper baptism in water [Section 7] ... believing the Dogmas ... and keeping free from mortal sin.  [Section 10.1]
8.    All grace, both actual and sanctifying grace, starts with God and comes into the world through the Blessed Virgin ... as Jesus Christ Himself did.       [Section 4, 4.4]
9a.  The Old Testament Israelite religion was the Catholic Faith unfulfilled ... the "judaism" fable started about 200 B.C.  Jesus Christ was not a jew. [Section 39.1, 39.4]
9b.  The "koran" is wrong ... Mohammed was not a prophet ... "allah" does not exist.  Mohammed and "islam" contradict 4,000 years of previous prophets. [Section 113]
10.  All heretics are excommunicated from Christianity ... and are headed for Hell ... with the world's pagans (those not properly baptized in water).       [Section 7.2, 8]

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None of the fake "Masses" ... of the non-jurisdictional, invalid and illicit
"work-a-rounds" for God taking away the Mass in 1965 ...
are Catholic worship (they're all idol worship)

The popular anti-Christ groups, which have zero priests, include ...
the "sspx", "sspv", "cmri", various independents, etc ...
are listed in this Section

"Lineage, lineage, lineage" (for Consecration and Ordination) ... is not
Catholic lineage ... without Catholic Jurisdiction

You can be fully Catholic and get to Heaven when Mass is not available, see Sections 7.4 and 13.6

The Jurisdiction Sources of Dogma on Section 87 ... combined with the Dogma on Automatic Excommunication for heresy
(Section 13.2) ... define that Mass is not available in these times and hasn't been since 8 December 1965 ... even
though we see automatically excommunicating activity around the world that looks like Catholic Mass.

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Introduction:

1. The governance of Catholic dioceses requires two things ... (1) Orders: the person must be ordained a Catholic priest and consecrated a Catholic bishop and (2) must have been granted Jurisdiction to run a particular Diocese or religious Order by the Pope (the Bishop of Rome).

2. The last person who could grant Catholic Jurisdiction to run a Diocese or a religious Order was Pope Pius X (died in 1914).  Since Pius X there has been nothing but a series of automatically excommunicated heretics ... playacting as "Popes" who could not grant Catholic Jurisdiction.


This Section includes ...
 
Sub-part A:   List of popular ... fake "lineages" ... "sspx", "Taylor", "Thuc", "Dolan", "sspv", "cmri", "McKenna", etc.   Includes why these "lineages" are fake and the groups heretical.

Sub-part B:   List of Sources of Dogma ... on Jurisdiction. Jurisdiction must be granted by the Pope via Apostolic letter for any group (Diocese or Order) to function as a Catholic entity for the Ordination of Priests.



S u b - p a r t    A

"Lineage" alone does not make for a valid Mass ... lineage with Catholic Jurisdiction in accordance with the
Sub-part B Dogma ... makes for a valid Mass (no longer available)

"Lineage" without Catholic Jurisdiction ... is not Catholic lineage. Catholic jurisdiction has disappeared from the world.

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1.  "Lineages" that do not have ... Papal granted jurisdiction for their Diocese or Order ... are not Catholic lineages, so that they do not have Catholic Bishops, Priests, or Catholic Mass.

2.  The Papacy fell vacant in 1914 (proven on Section 20) and is still vacant. Any and all possible Catholic jurisdiction ended on 8 December 1965 (proven on Section 13.6).

3.  Listed below are ... selected popular fake "lineages" and why they are fake ...

    1.  Fake "sspx" lineage hoax    - - -    2.  Fake "cmri" lineage hoax    - - -    3.  Fake "sspv" lineage hoax

    4.  Fake bishop Daniel Dolan hoax  - - -  5.  Fake bishop Donald Sanborn hoax  - - -  6.  Fake bishop Robert McKenna hoax

    7.  Fake bishop Patrick Taylor hoax  - - -  8.  Any and all "Thuc lineage" stuff is a hoax  - - -  9.  Fake bishop Frank Slupski hoax

    10.  Fake bishop Dennis McCormick hoax  - - -  11.  Fake bishop Neal Webster hoax  - - -  12.  Fake bishop Richard Williamson hoax

    13.  Fake bishop Moises Carmona hoax  - - -  14.  Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers hoax  - - -  15.  Fake bishop George Musey hoax

    16.  Fake bishop Louis Vezelis hoax  - - -  17.  Fake bishop Mark Pivarunas hoax

    18.  Fake bishop Oliver Oravec hoax  - - -  19.  Fake bishop Robert Neville hoax



Instance 1 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the "sspx" hoax

The claims of the "sspx lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  "made" various fake priests, starting 29 June 1976     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Fellay  ("made" a fake bishop, 30 June 1988)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Williamson  ("made" a fake bishop, 30 June 1988)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Tissier de Mallerais  ("made" a fake bishop, 30 June 1988)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Galarreta  ("made" a fake bishop, 30 June 1988)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Fellay  (fake bishop, 1988)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Williamson  (fake bishop, 1988)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Tissier  (fake bishop, 1988)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Galarreta  (fake bishop, 1988)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "sspx lineage" hoax >

1. Lefebvre did not have ... an Apostolic letter from a Pope granting him Catholic Jurisdiction ... to Ordain or Consecrate anyone (see No. 2).  Levebvre fell automatically excommunicated for heresy on 8 December 1965, non-Catholic apostate "paul-vi" was not a Catholic Pope so he could not grant Lefebvre Catholic jurisdiction to Ordain Priests or Consecrate Bishops.

2. The last Pope who could grant Catholic jurisdiction was Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... fully proven on Sections 20,  20.1,  20.2,  and 20.

3. Fake "lineages" (those without Papal granted jurisdiction ... offer nothing but pagan idol worship (even though it looks Catholic).

4. Pagan idol worship ... like the "sspx" stage shows ... causes your automatic excommunication, proven by Dogma listed on Section 13.2.2.

5. Participation in Catholic looking proceedings (that do not have jurisdiction) ... are First Commandment mortal sins.



Instance 2 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the "cmri" hoax

The claims of the "cmri lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Moises Carmona  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 Oct 1981)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Adolfo Zamora  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 Oct 1981)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop, 17 Oct 1981)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Adolfo Zamora  (fake bishop, 17 Oct 1981)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop) and Adolfo Zamora  (fake bishop)  >  George Musey  ("made" a fake bishop, 1 April 1982)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
George Musey  (fake bishop)  >  Mark Pivarunas  ("made" a fake priest, 27 June 1985)  >  and other various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop)  >  Mark Pivarunas  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 Sepember 1991)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Mark Pivarunas  (fake bishop)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "cmri lineage" hoax >

1. Ngo Dinh Thuc did not have ... an Apostolic letter from a Pope granting him Catholic Jurisdiction ... to Ordain or Consecrate anyone (see No. 2).  Ngo Dinh Thuc fell automatically excommunicated for heresy on 8 December 1965, non-Catholic apostate "paul-vi" was not a Catholic Pope so he could not grant Lefebvre Catholic jurisdiction to Ordain Priests or Consecrate Bishops.

2. The last Pope who could grant Catholic jurisdiction was Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... fully proven on Sections 20,  20.1,  20.2,  and 20.

3. Fake "lineages" (those without Papal granted jurisdiction ... offer nothing but pagan idol worship (even though it looks Catholic).

4. Pagan idol worship ... like the "cmri" stage shows ... causes your automatic excommunication, proven by Dogma listed on Section 13.2.2.

5. Participation in Catholic looking proceedings (that do not have jurisdiction) ... are First Commandment mortal sins.



Instance 3 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the "sspv" hoax

The claims of the "sspv lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Clarence Kelly  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Daniel Dolan  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Anthony Cekada  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Donald Sanborn  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Eugene Berry  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  William Jenkins  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Joseph Collins  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Martin Skierka  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Thomas Zapp  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Alfredo Méndez  (excommunicated)  >  Clarence Kelly  ("made" a fake bishop, 19 Oct 1993)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Clarence Kelly  (fake bishop)  >  Joseph Santay  ("made" a fake bishop, Feb 2007) for the "cspv" hoax  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "sspv lineage" hoax >

1. Lefebvre did not have ... an Apostolic letter from a Pope granting him Catholic Jurisdiction ... to Ordain anyone (see No. 2).  Levebvre fell automatically excommunicated for heresy on 8 December 1965, non-Catholic apostate "paul-vi" was not a Catholic Pope so he could not grant Lefebvre Catholic jurisdiction to Ordain Priests or Consecrate Bishops.

2. The last Pope who could grant Catholic jurisdiction was Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... fully proven on Sections 20,  20.1,  20.2,  and 20.

3. Alfredo Méndez did not have Catholic Jurisdiction ... to "consecrate" Clarence Kelly ... since Méndez was not in a jurisdictional entity (Diocese or Order) that had jurisdictional power from Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... that last person able to do so.

4. Clarence Kelly did not have Catholic Jurisdiction ... to "consecrate" Santay ... since Kelly was not in a jurisdictional entity (Diocese or Order) that had jurisdictional power from Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... that last person able to do so.

5. Fake "lineages" (those without Papal granted jurisdiction ... offer nothing but pagan idol worship (even though it looks Catholic).

6. Pagan idol worship ... like the "sspx" stage shows ... causes your automatic excommunication, proven by Dogma listed on Section 13.2.2.

7. Participation in Catholic looking proceedings (that do not have jurisdiction) ... are First Commandment mortal sins.



Instance 4 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the "ssg" hoax,  group of fake bishop Dolan
Note: Goes by the name of St. Gertrude the Great ... but has zero connection to St. Gertrude (who was in the Catholic Church)

The claims of the "sgg lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Daniel Dolan  ("made" a fake priest, 29 Jun 1976)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Mark Pivarunas  (fake bishop)  >  Daniel Dolan  ("made" a fake bishop, 30 Nov 1993)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Daniel Dolan  (fake bishop)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "ssg lineage / Daniel Dolan lineage" hoax >

1. Lefebvre did not have ... an Apostolic letter from a Pope granting him Catholic Jurisdiction ... to Ordain or Consecrate anyone (see No. 2).  Levebvre fell automatically excommunicated for heresy on 8 December 1965, non-Catholic apostate "paul-vi" was not a Catholic Pope so he could not grant Lefebvre Catholic jurisdiction to Ordain Priests or Consecrate Bishops.

2. The last Pope who could grant Catholic jurisdiction was Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... fully proven on Sections 20,  20.1,  20.2,  and 20.

3. Mark Pivarunas did not have Catholic Jurisdiction ... to "consecrate" Daniel Dolan ... since Pivarunas was not in a jurisdictional entity (Diocese or Order) that had jurisdictional power from Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... that last person able to do so.

4. Dolan (fake bishop) has never ordained a single Catholic priest ... Dolan was not in a jurisdictional entity (Diocese or Order) that had jurisdictional power from Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... that last person able to do so.

5. Fake "lineages" (those without Papal granted jurisdiction ... offer nothing but pagan idol worship (even though it looks Catholic).

6. Pagan idol worship ... like the "sspx" stage shows ... causes your automatic excommunication, proven by Dogma listed on Section 13.2.2.

7. Participation in Catholic looking proceedings (that do not have jurisdiction) ... are First Commandment mortal sins.



Instance 5 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Donald Sanborn hoax

The claims of the "Sanborn lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Donald Sanborn  ("made" a fake priest, 29 Jun 1976)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Donald Sanborn  ("made" a fake bishop, 20 June 2002)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Donald Sanborn  (fake bishop)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Donald Sanborn  (fake bishop)  >  Joseph S. Selway  ("made" a fake bishop, 22 Feb 2018)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Donald Sanborn lineage" hoax >

1. Lefebvre did not have ... an Apostolic letter from a Pope granting him Catholic Jurisdiction ... to Ordain anyone (see No. 2).  Levebvre fell automatically excommunicated for heresy on 8 December 1965, non-Catholic apostate "paul-vi" was not a Catholic Pope so he could not grant Lefebvre Catholic jurisdiction to Ordain Priests or Consecrate Bishops.

2. The last Pope who could grant Catholic jurisdiction was Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... fully proven on Sections 20,  20.1,  20.2,  and 20.

3. Robert McKenna did not have Catholic Jurisdiction ... to "consecrate" Donald Sanborn ... since McKenna was not in a jurisdictional entity (Diocese or Order) that had jurisdictional power from Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... that last person able to do so.

4. Sanborn (fake bishop) has never ordained a single Catholic priest ... since Sanborn was not in a jurisdictional entity (Diocese or Order) that had jurisdictional power from Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... that last person able to do so.

5. Sanborn (fake bishop) did not consecrate as a bishop Joseph Selway (fake bishop) ... since Sanborn was not in a jurisdictional entity (Diocese or Order) that had jurisdictional power from Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... that last person able to do so.

6. Fake "lineages" (those without Papal granted jurisdiction ... offer nothing but pagan idol worship (even though it looks Catholic).

7. Pagan idol worship ... like the "sspx" stage shows ... causes your automatic excommunication, proven by Dogma listed on Section 13.2.2.

8. Participation in Catholic looking proceedings (that do not have jurisdiction) ... are First Commandment mortal sins.



Instance 6 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Robert McKenna hoax

The claims of the "Robert McKenna lineage" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Michel des Lauriers  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Robert McKenna  ("made" a fake bishop, 22 August 1986)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  J. Elmer Vida  ("made" a fake bishop, 2 July 1987)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Richard Bedingfeld  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 December 1987)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Francis Slupski  ("made" a fake bishop, 12 October 1999)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Donald Sanborn  ("made" a fake bishop, 20 June 2002)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Robert L. Neville  ("made" a fake bishop, 28 April 2005)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Oliver Oravec  ("made" a fake bishop, 21 October 1988)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Robert McKenna lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Ngo Dinh Thuc did not consecrate Michel des Lauriers in 1981.

2. Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers did not consecrate Robert McKenna.

3. Fake bishop Robert McKenna did not consecrate J. Elmer Vida.

4. Fake bishop Robert McKenna did not consecrate Richard Bedingfeld.

5. Fake bishop Robert McKenna did not consecrate Francis Slupski.

6. Fake bishop Robert McKenna did not consecrate Donald Sanborn.

7. Fake bishop Robert McKenna did not consecrate Robert L. Neville.

8. Fake bishop Robert McKenna did not consecrate Oliver Oravec.



Instance 7 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Patrick Taylor hoax

The claims of the "Taylor lineage" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Carlos Duarte Costa  (excommunicated)  >  Patrick Taylor  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Patrick Taylor  (fake bishop)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

         For those who say ... Taylor was from the fake Thuc lineage, the same applies ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Patrick Taylor  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Patrick Taylor  (fake bishop)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Patrick Taylor lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated anti-Pope "Pius XI" did not have ... Catholic Jurisdiction ... to assign jurisdictional powers to Carlos Duarte Costa. Same with "Pius XII" in the Thuc fake lineage.

2. Neither Costa nor Thuc had Catholic Jurisdiction ... to "consecrate" Patrick Taylor ... since niether Costa nor Thuc were in a jurisdictional entity (Diocese or Order) that had jurisdictional power from Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... that last person able to do so.

3. The last Pope who could grant Catholic jurisdiction was Pope Pius X (died 1914) ... fully proven on Sections 20,  20.1,  20.2,  and 20.

4. Patrick Taylor (fake bishop) has never ordained a single Catholic priest.

5. Fake "lineages" (those without Papal granted jurisdiction ... offer nothing but pagan idol worship (even though it looks Catholic). Participation in non-Catholic ritual / proceedings causes your automatic excommunication, proven by Dogma listed on Section 13.2.2.



Instance 8 ... the entire "Thuc lineages" of any kind ... are all fake ... no Ordinations or Consecrations

The claims of the "Ngo Dinh Thuc, bishop" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Michel des Lauriers  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Moises Carmona  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 October 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Adolfo Zamora Hernandez  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 October 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts regarding any and all "lineages" ... where Ngo Dinh Thuc was involved in any way >

1. Ngo Dinh Thuc was automatically excommunicated for heresy ... on 8 December 1965, for approving the over 200 heresies against Catholic Dogma in the "vatican-2 council" documents.  Even if Thuc recanted afterwards ... there was no Pope to re-instate Thuc since "paul-6" was automatically excommunicated for heresy and no powers for granting Catholic Jurisdiction.

2. Ngo Dinh Thuc was not consecrated a Bishop by Antonio Drapier on 4 May 1938 ... see Number 3.

3. Automatically excommunicated anti-Pope "pius-11" did not have the capability ... to grant Drapier Catholic jurisdiction to ordain or consecrate anyone.  See Section 20.1 of this site for selected heresies of anti-Pope "pius-11".

4. The supposed "extraordinary patriarchal powers" ... "granted" to Thuc by anti-Pope "pius-12" never applied since ... (1) Thuc was never consecrated a bishop ... and (2) "pius-12" was automatically excommunicated for heresy (see Section 20.2) so he had zero jurisdiction to function in any Catholic actions ... and (3) a supposed "patriarchal power" cannot violate the Jurisdiction Sources of Dogma of the Pope in union with the Bishops of the world (listed in Sub-part A). 5. Excommunicated heretic Thuc did not consecrate heretic Michel de Lauries 6. Excommunicated heretic Thuc did not consecrate heretic Moises Carmona 7. Excommunicated heretic Thuc did not consecrate heretic Adolfo Zamora Hernandez



Instance 9 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Frank Slupski hoax

The claims of the "Slupski lineage" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Michel des Lauriers  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Robert McKenna  ("made" a fake bishop, 22 August 1986)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Frank Slupski  ("made" a fake bishop, 12 Oct 1999)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Frank Slupski  (excommunicated)  >  "made" various fake bishops     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Frank Slupski  (excommunicated)  >  "made" various fake priests     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Frank Slupski  (excommunicated)  >  Neal Webster  ("made" a fake bishop)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Frank Slupski lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Thuc did not consecrate heretic Michel de Lauries.

2. Excommunicated heretic Lauriers did not consecrate McKenna.

3. Excommunicated heretic McKenna did not consecrate heretic Slupski.

4. In addition ... Slupski fell automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church on 8 December 1965 ... for physical participation in the vatican-2 heretic cult. Dogma listed on Section 13.2.2 addressing automatic excommunication for participation in heresy.



Instance 10 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Dennis McCormack hoax

The claims of the "Dennis McCormack lineage" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Michel des Lauriers  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Robert McKenna  ("made" a fake bishop, 22 August 1986)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Frank Slupski  ("made" a fake bishop, 12 Oct 1999)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Frank Slupski  (fake bishop)  >  Ryan Scott  ("made" a fake bishop)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Ryan Scott  (fake bishop)  >  Dennis McCormack  ("made" a fake bishop, 28 Oct 2007)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

And previously ...
Patrick Taylor  (fake bishop)  >  Dennis McCormack  ("made" a fake priest, 1997)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Dennis McCormack lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Thuc did not consecrate heretic Lauries.

2. Excommunicated heretic Lauriers did not consecrate McKenna.

3. Excommunicated heretic McKenna did not consecrate heretic Slupski.

4. Excommunicated heretic Slupski did not consecrate heretic Scott.

5. Excommunicated heretic Scott did not consecrate heretic McCormack.



Instance 11 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Webster hoax

The claims of the "Neal Webster lineage" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Michel des Lauriers  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Robert McKenna  ("made" a fake bishop, 22 August 1986)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Frank Slupski  ("made" a fake bishop, 12 Oct 1999)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Frank Slupski  (fake bishop)  >  Neal Webster  ("made" a fake bishop)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

There's a couple of different stories ... about Webster's fake "ordination" ...

Timothy Henneberry  (fake bishop)  >  Neal Webster  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
An un-named Palmarian  (fake bishop)  >  Neal Webster  ("made" a fake priest)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Neal Webster lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Thuc did not consecrate heretic Lauries.

2. Excommunicated heretic Lauriers did not consecrate McKenna.

3. Excommunicated heretic McKenna did not consecrate heretic Slupski.

4. Excommunicated heretic Slupski did not consecrate heretic Webster.



Instance 12 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Richard Williamson hoax

The claims of the "Williamson lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Lefebvre  (excommunicated)  >  Williamson  ("made" a fake bishop, 30 June 1988)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Williamson  (fake bishop)  >  Jean-Michel Faure  ("made" a fake bishop, 19 March 2015)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Williamson  (fake bishop)  >  Dom Ferreira da Costa  ("made" a fake bishop, 19 March 2016)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Williamson  (fake bishop)  >  Gerardo Zendejas  ("made" a fake bishop, 11 May 2017)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Richard Williamson lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Lefebvre did not consecrate Richard Williamson in 1988.

2. Fake bishop Williamson did not consecrate Jean-Michel Faure.

3. Fake bishop Williamson did not consecrate Dom Ferreira da Costa.

4. Fake bishop Williamson did not consecrate Gerardo Zendejas.



Instance 13 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Moises Carmona hoax

The claims of the "Moises Carmona lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Moises Carmona  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 Oct 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop)  >  George Musey  ("made" a fake bishop, 1 April 1982)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop)  >  Benigno Valades  ("made" a fake bishop, 18 June 1982)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop)  >  José Gutiérez  ("made" a fake bishop, 18 June 1982)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop)  >  Peter Hillebrand  ("made" a fake bishop, 27 July 1984)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop)  >  Mark Pivarunas  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 September 1991)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Moises Carmona lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Ngo Dinh Thuc did not consecrate Moises Carmona in 1981.

2. Fake bishop Moises Carmona did not consecrate George Musey.

3. Fake bishop Moises Carmona did not consecrate Benigno Valades.

4. Fake bishop Moises Carmona did not consecrate José Gutiérez.

5. Fake bishop Moises Carmona did not consecrate Peter Hillebrand.

6. Fake bishop Moises Carmona did not consecrate Mark Pivarunas.



Instance 14 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Michel des Lauriers hoax

The claims of the "Michel des Lauriers lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Michel des Lauriers  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Gunther Storck  ("made" a fake bishop, 30 April 1984)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Robert McKenna  ("made" a fake bishop, 22 August 1986)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Franco Munari  ("made" a fake bishop, 25 November 1987)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Michel des Lauriers lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Ngo Dinh Thuc did not consecrate Michel des Lauriers in 1981.

2. Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers did not consecrate Gunther Storck.

3. Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers did not consecrate Robert McKenna.

4. Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers did not consecrate Franco Munari.



Instance 15 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop George Musey hoax

The claims of the "George Musey lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Moisés Carmona  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 Oct 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moisés Carmona  (fake bishop)  >  George Musey  ("made" a fake bishop, 1 April 1982)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
George Musey  (fake bishop)  >  Louis Vezelis  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 August 1982)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
George Musey  (fake bishop)  >  Conrad Altenbach  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 May 1984)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
George Musey  (fake bishop)  >  Ralph Siebert  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 May 1984)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
George Musey  (fake bishop)  >  Philippe Miguet  ("made" a fake bishop, 2 December 1987)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
George Musey  (fake bishop)  >  Michel Main  ("made" a fake bishop, 8 December 1987)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "George Musey lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Ngo Dinh Thuc did not consecrate Michel des Lauriers in 1981.

2. Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers did not consecrate George Musey.

3. Fake bishop George Musey did not consecrate Louis Vezelis.

4. Fake bishop George Musey did not consecrate Conrad Altenbach.

4. Fake bishop George Musey did not consecrate Ralph Siebert.

4. Fake bishop George Musey did not consecrate Philippe Miguet.

4. Fake bishop George Musey did not consecrate Michel Main.



Instance 16 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Louis Vezelis hoax

The claims of the "Louis Vezelis lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Moisés Carmona  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 Oct 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Adolfo Zamora Hernadez  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moises Carmona  (fake bishop) and Adolfo Zamora (fake bishop)  >  George Musey  ("made" a fake bishop, 1 April 1982)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
George Musey  (fake bishop)  >  Louis Vezelis  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 August 1982)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Louis Vezelis  (fake bishop)  >  Giles Butler  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 August 2005)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Louis Vezelis  (fake bishop)  >  Luis Alberto Madrigal  ("made" a fake bishop, 12 December 2007)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Louis Vezelis  (fake bishop)  >  Bonaventure Strandt  ("made" a fake bishop, 15 August 2012)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Louis Vezelis lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Ngo Dinh Thuc did not consecrate Michel des Lauriers in 1981.

2. Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers did not consecrate George Musey.

3. Fake bishop George Musey did not consecrate Louis Vezelis.

4. Fake bishop Louis Vezelis did not consecrate Giles Butler.

5. Fake bishop Louis Vezelis did not consecrate Luis Alberto Madrigal.

6. Fake bishop Louis Vezelis did not consecrate Bonaventure Strandt.



Instance 17 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Mark Pivarunas hoax

The claims of the "Mark Pivarunas lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Moisés Carmona  ("made" a fake bishop, 17 Oct 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Moisés Carmona  (fake bishop)  >  Mark Pivarunas  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 Sep 1991)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Mark Pivarunas  (fake bishop)  >  Daniel Dolan  ("made" a fake bishop, 30 November 1993)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Mark Pivarunas  (fake bishop)  >  Martin Gandara  ("made" a fake bishop, 11 May 1999)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Mark Pivarunas lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Ngo Dinh Thuc did not consecrate Moises Carmona on 17 Oct 1981.

2. Fake bishop Moises Carmona did not consecrate Mark Pivarunas.

3. Fake bishop Mark Pivarunas did not consecrate Daniel Dolan.

4. Fake bishop Mark Pivarunas did not consecrate Martin Gandara.



Instance 18 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Oliver Oravec hoax

The claims of the "Oliver Oravec lineages" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Michel des Lauriers  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Robert McKenna  ("made" a fake bishop, 22 August 1986)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Oliver Oravec  ("made" a fake bishop, 21 October 1988)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Oliver Oravec  (fake bishop)  >  John Hesson  ("made" a fake bishop, 12 June 1991)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Oliver Oravec  (fake bishop)  >  Raphael Cloquell  ("made" a fake bishop, 24 October 1996)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Oliver Oravec lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Ngo Dinh Thuc did not consecrate Michel des Lauriers on 7 May 1981.

2. Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers did not consecrate Robert McKenna.

3. Fake bishop Robert McKenna did not consecrate Oliver Oravec.

4. Fake bishop Oliver Oravec did not consecrate John Hesson.

5. Fake bishop Oliver Oravec did not consecrate Raphael Cloquell.



Instance 19 of a group ... with false and invalid non-jurisdictional "lineage" ... the fake bishop Robert Neville hoax

The claims of the "Robert Neville lineage" are all lies ... to excommunicate you for
participation in non-Catholic "worship" (Dogma on Section 13.2.2) ...

Ngo Dinh Thuc  (excommunicated)  >  Michel des Lauriers  ("made" a fake bishop, 7 May 1981)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Michel des Lauriers  (fake bishop)  >  Robert McKenna  ("made" a fake bishop, 22 August 1986)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert McKenna  (fake bishop)  >  Robert Neville  ("made" a fake bishop, 28 April 2005)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)
Robert Neville  (fake bishop)  >  Andres Morello  ("made" a fake bishop, 2006)     (Note: No Catholic lineage here)

Invalidating ... facts relating to the ... "Robert Neville lineage" hoax >

1. Excommunicated heretic Ngo Dinh Thuc did not consecrate Michel des Lauriers on 7 May 1981.

2. Fake bishop Michel des Lauriers did not consecrate Robert McKenna.

3. Fake bishop Robert McKenna did not consecrate Robert Neville.

4. Fake bishop Robert Neville did not consecrate Andres Morello.

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List of Sources of Dogma ... on Jurisdiction

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Council of Florence, Laetentur Coeli (Decree of Union), 6 July 1439 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"We likewise define that the holy Apostolic See, and the Roman Pontiff, hold the primacy throughout the entire world; and that the Roman Pontiff himself is the successor of blessed Peter, the chief of the Apostles, and the true vicar of Christ, and that he is the head of the entire Church, and the father and teacher of all Christians; and that full power was given to him in blessed Peter by our Lord Jesus Christ, to feed, rule, and govern the universal Church."

Question 1: Do the "independent chapels" ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) satisfy this dogmatic definition, that they are part of a single entity "throughout the entire world" and "governed" under the See of Peter, which is also called here the "entire Church"?

Answer 1: No. No independent group can meet this definition because they are not within the primacy of jurisdiction "throughout the entire world" of the Roman Pontiff. They are not in the government of the universal Church, and neither are the vatican-2 heretic cult meeting halls.

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Question 2: Do the vatican-2 heretic meeting halls ("fssp", "indults", "novus ordo") satisfy this dogmatic definition, that they are part of the single Catholic entity which is called the "entire Church" and "governed" under the See of Peter?

Answer 2: No, because the vatican-2 jew-heretic cult was founded on 8 December 1965 (at the Vatican) and has nothing to do with the See of Peter, the Catholic Church, or its governance ... since there are over 200 anti-Christ heresies against Catholic Dogma in the founding documents of the vatican-2 cult ... the "council" documents. See Section 12 of this site. The vatican-2 cult is clearly a different "religion" than the Catholic Church. One heresy against Catholic Dogma causes an organization to be a heretical society. The vatican-2 heretic cult is currently in control of all of our formerly Catholic properties around the world.



Vatican Council of 1870, Session 4, Chapter 3: On the ... Primacy of the Roman Pontiff, Part 2 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Wherefore we teach and declare that, by Divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman Pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the Church throughout the world."

Question 1: Do the independent meeting halls ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are within the "jurisdictional power" of the Roman Pontiff in a "hierarchical subordination", and one government of the Church "throughout the world"?

Answer 1: No, they are not in a "hierarchical subordination" under the Roman Pontiff "throughout the world" ... and neither are the vatican-2 cult meeting halls.

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Question 2: Do the vatican-2 heretic meeting halls ("fssp", "indults", "novus ordo") satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are "subordinate" to the Roman Pontiff in a single "hierarchical", one "government" entity ... "throughout the world"?

Answer 2: No, because the vatican-2 heretic cult was founded on 8 December 1965, its founding documents (the documents of the "council") are a rampant rejection of prior defined Catholic Dogma ... so it cannot possibly have anything to do with the Roman Pontiff, the Office of the Papacy, or the Catholic Church. The vatican-2 cult meeting halls have nothing to do with ... a "hierarchical subordination" under the Roman Pontiff "throughout the world", since the Roman Pontiff is of the Catholic Church, and the vatican-2 cult is not of the Catholic Church.



Vatican Council of 1870, Session 4, Chapter 3: On the ... Primacy of the Roman Pontiff, Part 9 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema."

Question 1: Do the independent meeting halls ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are part of a single "jurisdiction over the whole Church" and in the one government "throughout the whole world"?

Answer 1: No, since they are not within the government of the succession of Saint Peter and neither are the vatican-2 cult meeting halls.

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Question 2: Do the vatican-2 heretic meeting halls ("fssp", "indults", "novus ordo") satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are part of the single Catholic "jurisdiction" over the "whole Church" with one government "throughout the whole world"?

Answer 2: No, because the vatican-2 heretic cult was founded on 8 December 1965, its founding documents (the documents of the "council") deviate wildly from prior defined Catholic Dogma ... so it cannot possibly have anything to do with the Roman Pontiff, the Office of the Papacy, or the Catholic Church. The vatican-2 cult meeting halls have nothing to do with ... the discipline and government of the Catholic Church under the Roman Pontiff "throughout the world", since the Roman Pontiff is of the Catholic Church, and the vatican-2 cult is not of the Catholic Church.

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Question 3: Do you incur the anathema, (curse on your soul), if you go to an "independent chapel" or a non-Catholic vatican-2 meeting hall?

Answer 3: Yes, you incur the curse.



Vatican Council of 1870, Session 4, Chapter 3: On the ... Primacy of the Roman Pontiff, Part 6 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Furthermore, it follows from that supreme power which the Roman Pontiff has in governing the whole Church, that he has the right, in the performance of this office of his, to communicate freely with the pastors and flocks of the entire Church, so that they may be taught and guided by him in the way of salvation."

Question 1: Do the independent meeting halls ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are in the "governing of the whole Church" under the Roman Pontiff?

Answer 1: No, they are not in the "governing of the whole Church" under the Roman Pontiff and neither are the vatican-2 cult meeting halls.

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Question 2: Do the vatican-2 heretic meeting halls ("fssp", "indults", "novus ordo") satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are under the Roman Pontiff "governing the whole Church"?

Answer 2: No, because the vatican-2 cult meeting halls have nothing to do with the Catholic Roman Pontiff, since their heretic cult does not have the Office of the Papacy, only the Catholic Church has this office. The See of Peter began being operative at the First Pentecost in 33 A.D. while the vatican-2 cult was founded on 8 December 1965. See Section 12 of this site for the heresies in the founding documents of the vatican-2 cult.



Vatican Council of 1870, Session 4, Chapter 3: On the ... Primacy of the Roman Pontiff, Part 1 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"The Apostolic see and the Roman Pontiff hold a world-wide primacy, and that ... To him, in Blessed Peter, full power has been given by our Lord Jesus Christ to tend, rule and govern the universal Church."

Question 1: Do the "independent chapels" ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are part of what Peter "rules and governs" with "full power" as the "universal Church" (a single entity)?

Answer 1: No, because they are not in the single governance of the Catholic "universal church" and neither are the vatican-2 cult meeting halls.

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Question 2: Do the Vatican-2 heretic meeting halls meet this definition of being part of what Peter governs with "full power" and which is called here the "universal Church" (a single entity)?

Answer 2: No, because the vatican-2 meeting halls ("fssp", "indults", "novus ordo") are a physical part of the vatican-2 heretic cult which was founded on 8 December 1965 at the Vatican. Since they are part of a heretic cult they have nothing to do with Catholic Saint Peter and his governance of the Catholic Church - which they are not in.

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Question 3: Does the vatican-2 cult have the office of the Papacy?

Answer 3: No, only the Catholic Church has the Papacy, so this Dogma is not met by the vatican-2 cult for this reason also. See Section 13.4 of this site.



Vatican Council of 1870, Session 4, Chapter 1: On the institution of the Apostolic Primacy in Blessed Peter, Part 1 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"We teach and declare that, according to the gospel evidence, a primacy of jurisdiction over the whole Church of God was immediately and directly promised to the Blessed Apostle Peter and conferred on him by Christ the Lord."

Question 1: Do the "independent chapels" ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) satisfy this dogmatic definition, that they are part of the single physical entity which is called the "whole Church" which includes a primacy of jurisdiction?

Answer 1: No. No independent group can meet this definition because they are not within the primacy of jurisdiction of - the single succession continuing from Catholic Saint Peter and neither are the meeting halls of the vatican-2 cult (founded on 8 December 1965)

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Question 2: Do the vatican-2 meeting halls ("fssp", "indults", "novus ordo") satisfy this dogmatic definition, that they are part of a single entity which is called the "whole Church" which includes a primacy of jurisdiction?

Answer 2: No, because the vatican-2 jew-heretic cult is not within the primacy of jurisdiction of - the single succession continuing from Catholic Saint Peter ... they are a heretic cult that was founded in 1965 at the Vatican ... see Section 12 of this website for their heresies.



Vatican Council of 1870, Session 4, Chapter 1: On the institution of the Apostolic Primacy in Blessed Peter, Part 6 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Therefore, if anyone says that Blessed Peter the Apostle was not appointed by Christ the Lord as prince of all the Apostles and visible head of the whole church militant; or that it was a primacy of honour only and not one of true and proper jurisdiction that he directly and immediately received from our Lord Jesus Christ Himself: let him be anathema."

Question 1: Do the "independent chapels" ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are part of what is called the "whole Church militant" with a "visible head" that has "true and proper jurisdiction"?

Answer 1: No. The "independents" cannot meet this definition because they are not a physical part of the "whole Church militant" within the "proper jurisdiction" which Saint Peter received directly from our Lord and neither are the meeting halls of the Vatican-2 heretic cult.

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Question 2: Do the vatican-2 meeting halls ("fssp", "indults", "novus ordo") satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are part of what is called the "whole Church" with a "visible head" that has "true and proper jurisdiction"?

Answer 2: No. The vatican-2 meeting halls cannot meet this definition because they are not part of a "whole Church militant" within the "proper jurisdiction" which Saint Peter received directly from our Lord ... since the heresy which they are a physical part of was founded on 8 December 1965 at the Vatican. These buildings have nothing to do with Saint Peter receiving the true and proper jurisdiction from Christ which was an event of the Catholic Church, not of the vatican-2 cult. See Section 13.4 of this site.

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Question 3: Does one incur the anathema, (curse on your soul), if you go to "independent chapels" or to the vatican-2 meeting halls?

Answer 3: Yes, you incur the curse on your soul.



Vatican Council of 1870, Session 4, Chapter 3: On the ... Primacy of the Roman Pontiff, Part 8 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Since the Roman Pontiff, by the Divine right of the Apostolic primacy, governs the whole Church, we likewise teach and declare that he is the supreme judge of the faithful."

Question 1: Do the "independent chapels" ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are a part of the Roman Pontiff "governing the whole Church"?

Answer 1: No, they are not part of the Roman Pontiff "governing the whole Church" and neither are the meeting halls of the Vatican-2 heretic cult.

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Question 2: Do the vatican-2 heretic meeting halls ("fssp", "indults", "novus ordo") satisfy this dogmatic definition that they are a part of the Roman Pontiff "governing the whole Church"?

Answer 2: No, because the vatican-2 meeting halls are a physical part of the vatican-2 heresy which was founded in 1965 at the Vatican, they have nothing to do with ... the Roman Pontiff, the Office of the Papacy, or the Catholic Church. See the rampant rejection of Catholic Dogma in the founding documents of the vatican-2 heretic cult (the documents of the "council") in Section 12 of this site.



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Pope Pius IX, Quanta cura, 8 Dec 1864 >
"But no one can be found not clearly and distinctly to see and understand how grievously this is opposed to the Catholic dogma of the full power given from God by Christ our Lord Himself to the Roman Pontiff of feeding, ruling and guiding the Universal Church."

Note: The non-Catholic vatican-2 cult is not in accord with this instruction from Pope Pius IX since they are not Catholic by Faith, while other groups that offer Catholic looking liturgy ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) are not because they are in violation of the above listed Sources of Dogma on Jurisdiction and Governance (these groups also hold to other excommunicating heresies).

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Pope Leo XIII, Testem Benevolentiae, 22 January 1899 >
"Now the history of all past ages is witness that this Apostolic See, to which not only the office of teaching, but also the supreme government of the whole Church were assigned, has indeed continually adhered ‘to the same doctrine, in the same sense, and in the same mind’."

Note: The non-Catholic vatican-2 cult is not in accord with this instruction from Pope Leo XIII because they are not a Catholic group, while other groups that offer Catholic looking liturgy ("sspx", "sspv", "cmri", "Thuc line", etc.) are not because they are in violation of the sources of Dogma which address jurisdiction and governance.

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Pope Pius IX, Graves Ac Diuturnae (# 4), 23 March 1875 >
"They (the faithful) should totally shun their "religious" celebrations, their buildings, and their chairs of pestilence which they have with impunity established to "transmit" the sacred teachings. They should shun their writings and all contact with them. They should not have any dealings or meetings with usurping priests and apostates from the faith who dare to exercise the duties of an ecclesiastical "minister" without possessing a legitimate mission or any jurisdiction."

Note 1: The vatican-2 heretic cult is not part of the one governance of the Church ... even though vatican-2-ists operate their "chairs of pestilence" out of buildings with Catholic signs out front (our formerly Catholic properties) ... which we are instructed here to shun (See Sections 12 through 21 of this website). We are to reject their writings (which includes all of the "vatican-2 council" documents) and avoid contact with them.

Note 2: In our time, when there is no primacy of jurisdiction or governance from Rome (since the close of the "vatican-2 council" ... when the Vatican, all of the former bishop offices, and all of the former priest offices were lost to the vatican-2 jew-heretic cult) one must simply keep to the Catholic Dogmas (Section 3 of this website) and Sources of Dogma of the Church, which is the work of God the Holy Spirit. This keeps you in line with the prior legitimate authorities that defined and believed the Dogmas. See Section 13.6 of this site.

Note 3: The vatican-2-ists lack "legitimate mission and jurisdiction" because Christ only founded the Catholic Church, He did not found the vatican-2 heretic cult in 1965 - for this reason the Vatican-2 heretic meeting halls are outside of the one governance of the Church. The vatican-2 apostasy was set up prior to 1962 by anti-Pope heretics "Benedict XV", "Pius XI", and "Pius XII" (See Sections 20, 20.1, and 20.2 of this website).

Note 4: None of the heretics (including the vatican-2 heretics) are "transmitting the sacred teachings" (which is the Catholic Dogmas) they are transmitting their man-made fables - various heresies against the Catholic Dogmas.

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Mother of Christ
Hear Thou thy people's cry
Selected prophesies of the Blessed Virgin  - & -  Quotes on being devoted to the Blessed Virgin.    More >  Section 4  and  Section 4.4
Ezechiel 44:2 > "This gate shall be shut … no man shall pass through it … the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it." Proverbs 8:35 > "He that shall find me (the Blessed Virgin), shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord."
St. Bonaventure, died 1274 > "No one ever finds Christ but with and through Maria. Whoever seeks Christ apart from Maria seeks Him in vain." Genesis 3:15 > "I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."
Ecclesiasticus 24:25 > "In me is all grace of the way and the truth, in me is all hope of life and virtue." St. Antoninus, died 1459 > "All graces that have ever been bestowed on men, all of them came through Maria."
St. John Damascene, died 749 > "Pure and Immaculate Virgin, save me and deliver me from eternal damnation." Wisdom 7:26 > "For she is the brightness of eternal light, and the unspotted mirror of God's majesty."
Ecclesiasticus 24:24 > "I am the mother of fair love, and of fear, and of knowledge, and of holy hope." St. Agnes, died 304 > "There is no one in the world who, if he asks for it, does not partake of the Divine mercy through the tenderness of Maria."  (Truth and mercy cannot be separated)
Proverbs 30:11-12 > "There is a generation that ... doth not bless their mother. A generation pure in their own eyes and yet not washed from their filthiness." Blessed John Eudes, died 1680 > "Every grace and blessing possessed by the Church, all the treasures of light, holiness, and glory ... are due to the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Maria."
St. Athanasius, died 373 > "Thou, O Lady, were filled with grace, so that thou might be the way of our salvation and the means of ascent into the heavenly kingdom." Psalm 131:8 > "Arise, O Lord, into Thy resting place: Thou and the ark, which Thou hast sanctified."  (The Blessed Virgin bodily in Heaven)
Star of the Sea
and Portal of the Sky

Truth of the super-natural order:
All grace starts with God, goes to the hands of the Blessed Virgin, and then into the world. God (Grace Himself) came into the world
by the Blessed Virgin, God never changes, all grace follows the same path to this day and until the end of the world.

 
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