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Instance 1 ... Where "baptism of desire" is defined as heresy along with other baptism heresies

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Council of Trent, Session 7, Water Baptism Source of Dogma ...
 
Council of Trent, Session 7, Baptism Section, Canon 2, 1547 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit; let him be anathema."
 
Council of Trent, Session 7 Dogma below ... defines that the above Water Baptism Source of Dogma is to destroy baptism heresies ...
 
Council of Trent, Session 7, Decree on the Sacraments, 1547 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"In order to destroy ... the heresies, which have appeared in these our days on the subject of the said most Holy Sacraments ... the sacred and holy, oecumenical and general Synod of Trent ... has thought fit that these present Canons be established and decreed."

The COMBINATION of these two Sources of Dogma ... specifically CONDEMNS "baptism of desire" (and other baptism heresies) ... in that ...

Point 1: The first Source of Dogma above (Session 7, Canon 2) mandates the use of water ... for the remission of Original Sin.

Point 2: The second citation above (Council of Trent, Session 7, Decree on the Sacraments) ... states that the above Water Baptism Canon is established and decreed ... for the destroying of all baptism heresies.

Point 3: This establishes the fact that "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" people are heretics ... and groups that promote "b.o.d." and "b.o.b." as heretic cults (such as "vatican-2", "sspx", "cmri", "sspv", etc.) ... placing them outside the Catholic Church (for heresy) and headed for Hell.

Instance 2 ... Where "baptism of desire" is defined as heresy along with other baptism heresies

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Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution section, Water Baptism Source of Dogma ...
 
Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution section - Profession of Faith, Paragraph 3, 1215 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"But the sacrament of baptism is consecrated in water at the invocation of the undivided Trinity -- namely Father, Son and Holy Spirit -- and brings salvation to both children and adults when it is correctly carried out by anyone in the form laid down by the Church. If someone falls into sin after having received baptism, he or she can always be restored through true penitence."
 
Fourth Lateran Council Dogma below ... specifies excommunication for heretics who reject the above Dogma from Fourth Lateran ...
 
Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution section, Paragraph 3, 1215 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"We excommunicate and anathematize every heresy raising itself up against this holy, orthodox and Catholic faith which we have expounded above."

The COMBINATION of these two Sources of Dogma ... specifically CONDEMNS "baptism of desire" (and other baptism heresies) ... in that ...

Point 1: The first Source of Dogma above from the Fourth Lateran Council defines ... that Baptism is consecrated in water.

Point 2: The second Source of Dogma above from the Fourth Lateran Council ... in Paragraph 3 ... defines that "baptism of desire" and other baptism heresies cause your excommunication from the Catholic Church ... since these heresies are opposed to what the Council expounded above (the water baptism Source of Dogma).

Point 3: This is proof that "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" people are excommunicated ... and groups that promote "b.o.d." and "b.o.b." as heretic cults (such as "vatican-2", "sspx", "cmri", "sspv", etc.).

Instance 3 ... Where "baptism of desire" is defined as heresy along with other baptism heresies

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Council of Florence, Session 8, Water Baptism Source of Dogma ...
 
Council of Florence, Pope Eugene IV, Session 8, Exultate Deo, 22 Nov 1439 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Holy baptism holds the first place among all the sacraments, for it is the gate of the spiritual life; through it we become members of Christ and of the body of the Church. Since death came into the world through one person, unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot, as Truth says, enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The matter of this sacrament is real and natural water."
 
Council of Florence Dogma below ... identifies that the above Dogma must be accepted as a definition and doctrine ...
 
Council of Florence, Session 8, 22 Nov 1439 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Accept, admit and embrace, just as your holiness affirms in the decree, this most salutary synodal decree with all its chapters, declarations, definitions, traditions, precepts and statutes and all the doctrine contained in it."

The COMBINATION of these two Sources of Dogma ... specifically CONDEMNS "baptism of desire" (and other baptism heresies) ... in that ...

Point 1: The first Source of Dogma above from the Council of Florence identifies and defines that ... one must be born again by water.

Point 2: The second Source of Dogma above from the Council of Florence Dogma of Session 8 ... defines we must accept, admit, and embrace the Dogma of Florence.

Point 3: This is proof that "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" people are heretics ... and groups that promote "b.o.d." and "b.o.b." as heretic cults (such as "vatican-2", "sspx", "cmri", "sspv", etc.).

Instance 4 ... Where "baptism of desire" is defined as heresy along with other baptism heresies

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Council of Florence, Session 8, Water Baptism Source of Dogma ...
 
Council of Florence, Pope Eugene IV, Session 8, Exultate Deo, 22 Nov 1439 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"With regard to children, since the danger of death is often present and the only remedy available to them is the sacrament of baptism by which they are snatched away from the dominion of the devil and adopted as children of God, it admonishes that sacred baptism is not to be deferred."
 
Council of Florence Dogma below ... identifies that the above Water Baptism Dogma ... is for the extirpation of heresies.
 
Council of Florence, Session 2, 15 Feb 1432 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"To the praise of almighty God and the glory and honour of the blessed and undivided Trinity, for the extirpation of heresies and errors."

The COMBINATION of these two Sources of Dogma ... specifically CONDEMNS "baptism of desire" (and other baptism heresies) ... in that ...

Point 1: The first Source of Dogma above from the Council of Florence specifies the Sacrament of Baptism for the remission of Original Sin ... the matter for the Sacrament of Baptism is water.

Point 2: The second Source of Dogma above from the Council of Florence, shortly after opening (in Session 2) states that the Council's purpose is for the extirpation of heresies and error.

Point 3: This defines "baptism of desire" as heresy ... one of the heresies which the Council seeks to extirpate, by the Water Baptism Dogma.

Point 4: This is proof that "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" people are heretics ... and groups that promote "b.o.d." and "b.o.b." as heretic cults (such as "vatican-2", "sspx", "cmri", "sspv", etc.).

Instance 5 ... Where "baptism of desire" is defined as heresy along with other baptism heresies

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Council of Trent, Water Baptism Source of Dogma, defines that Original Sin is only remitted by water baptism ...
 
Council of Trent, Session 5, Decree Concerning Original Sin, Paragraph 4, 1546 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Even infants, who could not as yet commit any sin of themselves, are for this cause truly baptized for the remission of sins, that in them that may be cleansed away by regeneration, which they have contracted by generation. For, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God."
 
Council of Trent Dogma below ... Dogma that the Council definitions are to anathematize heresies ...
 
Council of Trent, Session 25, 1563 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"The calamitousness of the times, and the malignity of the increasing heresies demand, that nothing be left undone which may seem in any wise capable of tending to the edification of the people, and to the defence of the Catholic Faith. Wherefore the Holy Synod enjoins ... they publicly receive all and singular the things that have been defined and ordained by this Holy Synod ... (and) publicly express their detestation of and anathematize all the heresies that have been condemned by the Sacred Canons and General Councils."

The COMBINATION of these two Sources of Dogma ... specifically CONDEMNS "baptism of desire" (and other baptism heresies) ... in that ...

Point 1: The first Source of Dogma above from the Council of Trent, Session 5 citation above ... defines that Water Baptism is required to remit Original Sin.

Point 2: The second Source of Dogma above from the Council of Trent Source of Dogma above ... defines that the Council is for the anathematizing of heresies.

Point 3: This is proof that "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" people are heretics ... and groups that promote "b.o.d." and "b.o.b." as heretic cults (such as "vatican-2", "sspx", "cmri", "sspv", etc.).

Instance 6 ... Where "baptism of desire" is defined as heresy along with other baptism heresies

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Council of Chalcedon, Water Baptism Source of Dogma ...
 
Council of Chalcedon, Pope Saint Leo the Great, Letter to Flavian (martyr) section, 451 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"For there are three who give testimony – Spirit and water and blood. And the three are one. In other words, the Spirit of Sanctification and the Blood of Redemption and the water of baptism. These three are one and remain indivisible. None of them is separable from its link with the others."
 
Council of Chalcedon Dogma below ... identifies that the above Dogma must be accepted by those who have turned to wickedness ...
 
Council of Chalcedon, Pope Saint Leo the Great, 451 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"We trust that with God's help he who has fallen into error might condemn the wickedness of his own mind and find salvation."

The COMBINATION of these two Sources of Dogma ... specifically CONDEMNS "baptism of desire" (and other baptism heresies) ... in that ...

Point 1: The first Source of Dogma above from the Council of Chalcedon, defines that water and sanctification cannot be separated ... and the Blood may not be separated, since the Blood of the Catholic Jesus Christ is what gives ... the power to the water to remit sin.

Point 2: The second Source of Dogma above from the Council of Chalcedon condemns as ... in error and wicked ... those who reject the Church’s Dogma.

Point 3: This is proof that "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" people as fallen into error and in a wicked state ... and groups that promote "b.o.d." and "b.o.b." as heretic cults (such as "vatican-2", "sspx", "cmri", "sspv", etc.).

Instance 7 ... Where "baptism of desire" is defined as heresy along with other baptism heresies

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Council of Vienne, Water Baptism Source of Dogma, defines there is one Baptism not three ...
 
Council of Vienne, Pope Clement V, Decree 30, 1311-1312 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non-exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism ..."
 
Council of Vienne Dogma below ... identifies that the above Dogma is to ensure the exclusion of error, so that the truth may be known, ...
 
Council of Vienne, Decree 1, 1311-1312 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"We, therefore, directing our Apostolic attention, to which alone it belongs to define these things (...) In order that all may know the truth of the faith in its purity and all error may be excluded ..."

The COMBINATION of these two Sources of Dogma ... specifically CONDEMNS "baptism of desire" (and other baptism heresies) ... in that ...

Point 1: The first Source of Dogma above from the Council of Vienne, defines that there is one baptism not three.

Point 2: The second Source of Dogma above from the Council of Vienne, defines that the Council is for the exclusion of errors and so that all may know the truth.

Point 3: This is proof that "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" people are heretics ... and groups that promote "b.o.d." and "b.o.b." as heretic cults (such as "vatican-2", "sspx", "cmri", "sspv", etc.).

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There are *two* Magisteriums of the Catholic Church and they exist at the same time.

They are (1) the Solemn Magisterium and (2) the Ordinary Magisterium.

The Solemn Magisterium writings are ... the infallible Sources of Dogma of the Catholic Church, formally defined by the Pope in union with the bishops of the world ... in Dogmatic venues.

The Ordinary Magisterium writings are ... all other writings of Popes, Saints, bishops, priests, catechisms, etc. - - in NON-Dogmatic venues

The Key Point > A writing of the Ordinary Magisterium cannot contradict a Dogmatic citation of the Solemn Magisterium ... if it does contradict ... it cannot be considered as a writing of the Catholic Church and is simply discarded as heresy.

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The "baptism of desire" heresy is a good example of this.

The Solemn Magisterium has defined Sources of Dogma which specifically rule out the possibility of "baptism of desire" ... and has condemned it as heresy.

If you pick up a book that states ... "Persons X, Y, and Z taught and believed "b.o.d." ... you simply ignore that source as not being a writing of the Ordinary Magisterium of the Catholic Church ... because it contradicts Solemn Magisterium citations. So it isn’t from the Catholic Church at all.

This trick of the devil, to use corrupt writings to attack the Catholic Solemn Magisterium, is used in other areas also, such as the "material heresy" hoax and the "supplied jurisdiction" hoax (See Sections 5.1 and 99 of this site).

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The Catholic Church hasn’t condemned all heresies by name, if a heresy hasn’t been condemned by name ... does not mean that they might be true ?

The Catholic Church has not condemned by name, the following ...

           The "mormon" heresy ... does that mean that the "mormon" heresy might be true ?    No, of course not.

           The "fellowship of universal guidance" heresy ... does that mean that the "fellowship of universal guidance" heresy might be true ?    No, of course not.

           The "assembly of God" heresy ... does that mean that the "assembly of God" heresy might be true ?    No, of course not.

           The "native American shamanism" heresy ... does that mean that the "American shamanism" heresy might be true ?    No, of course not.

           The "center for wisdom spirituality" heresy ... does that mean that the "center for wisdom spirituality" heresy might be true ?    No, of course not.

           Etc, etc, etc.

The Catholic Church does not have a “time line” for condemning heresies. The Church establishes Dogma and Doctrine, and those in violation of it are automatically outside of the Catholic Church ... by the Dogma on Automatic Excommunication for heresy listed on Section 13.2 of Immaculata-one.com.

Catholic writing of 1 Saint Timothy 4:16 >
"Take heed to thyself and to doctrine: be earnest in them. For in doing this thou shalt both save thyself and them that hear thee."

Catholic Faith (pre-fulfillment) writing of Ecclesiasticus 24:44 >
"For I make doctrine to shine forth to all as the morning light, and I will declare it afar off."

Catholic writing of 2 Saint John 1:9 >
"Whosoever revolteth, and continueth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine, the same hath both the Father and the Son."

Catholic writing of Titus 2:10 >
"Not defrauding, but in all things shewing good fidelity, that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."

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The typical question of the "chronological theology" heretic >
"At what point in Church history would it have been clearly defined to the point that any one who believed in Baptism of Desire would be a heretic ?"

The above question is broken down into four questions below ... to answer it with clarity.

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Question 1 ...
At what point in history does a person who believes in "baptism of desire" (or any other heresy or apostasy against the baptism requirement) become a heretic for rejecting the baptism requirement identified by Christ before the Ascension ?

Answer to question 1 ...
The point in history of Question 1 above ... is the First Pentecost in 33 A.D. - Anyone in heresy or apostasy against the water baptism requirement to remit Original Sin was a heretic or apostate. Also, starting at the First Pentecost in 33 A.D. - anyone dying without water baptism or outside of the Catholic Church descended into Hell forever.

Catholic writing of Saint John 3:5 >
"Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God."

Catholic writing of 1 Saint John 5:8 >
"And there are three that give testimony on earth: the Spirit, and the water, and the Blood: and these three are one."

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Question 2 ...
At what point in history did the Church formally reinforce the baptism requirement in a Solemn Magisterium citation ... that had been fully in force since the First Pentecost in 33 A.D. ?   (The Church has formally reinforced it’s Dogma to combat heresy throughout the ages)

Answer to question 2 ...
The Catholic Solemn Magisterium reinforced baptism for conversion from the pagan state ... in the first three General Councils (Nicaea - 325 A.D., Constantinople - 381 A.D., Ephesus - 431 A.D.) ... and in later Councils (see Section 7.2)

The first instance in history when the Water Baptism Dogma was reinforced in a manner of wording which specifically ruled out the possibility of “baptism of desire” ... was at the General Council of Chalcedon in 451 A.D.

Council of Chalcedon, Pope Saint Leo the Great, Letter to Flavian (martyr) section, 451 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"For there are three who give testimony – Spirit and water and blood. And the three are one. In other words, the Spirit of Sanctification and the Blood of Redemption and the water of baptism. These three are one and remain indivisible. None of them is separable from its link with the others."

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Question 3 ...
At what point in history did ... baptized Catholics become automatically excommunicated for heresy for rejecting the Water Baptism Dogma ?

Answer to question 3 ...
At all times in Church history ... baptized persons are removed from Christianity (the Catholic Church) for heresy against any Catholic Dogma.

Catholic writing of Saint James 2:10 >
"And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all."

Catholic writing of Titus 3:10-11 >
"A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he ... is subverted and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment."

Catholic writing of 2 Saint John 1:9 >
"Whosoever revolts, and continues not in the doctrine of Christ, has not God."

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Question 4 ...
At what point in history did ... baptized Catholics become automatically excommunicated for physical participation in heretic cults which reject even a single Dogma of the Catholic Church (such as "vatican-2", "sspx", "sspv", "lutheran", "baptist", "methodist", "evangelical", etc.) ?

Answer to question 4 ...
At all times in Church history ... baptized persons are removed from Christianity (the Catholic Church) for physical participation in a heretic cult.

Catholic writing of Saint Luke 11:23 >
"He that is not with me is against Me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."

Catholic writing of Saint Mark 16:16 >
"But he that believeth not shall be condemned."

Catholic writing of Saint Luke 10:16  >
"He that heareth you, heareth Me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth Me."

Catholic writing of 1 Timothy 4:1 >
"Some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils."

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